Cadre Matters

Dear Friends,

Hey I picked this mail from IAS_2003 Yahoo group .. Mail No: 8355. So The mail after it i.e 8356 also has given an example about how cadre allocation actually hold place.. so refer to it for further clarification.. Once again thanx satish..

You might be remembering that in my previous few mails, I had written about the IPS & then about cadre allocation. Today I am sending last two mails in this series. The Civil Service (Main) examination result is coming soon. Some of you will get through. Therefore, I shall be writing on few topics of National importance, keeping in mind the requirement of interview.

Focus of these topics shall be mainly the security scenario in the country, such as Naxalite Problem, Terrorism in Kashmir, Insurgency in the North East, LTTE, Army & common people, communal riots, disaster management and any topic that will come out of discussion.

Now I shall come to the main topic. First recapitulate what I mailed in past.

Cadre allocation is done as per D. O. no. 13012/5/84- AIS (I) dated 30/31 May 1985 which is available on persmin.nic.in In any cadre sequence of allocation is outsider, outsider, insider, outsider, outsider, insider…… There is reservation for SC/ ST/ OBC/ General categories within this sequence. There are 4 groups of cadres namely.

i. Andhra, Assam+ Meghalaya, Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Gujarat ii. Haryana, Himachal, J & K, Jharkhand, Karnataka, Kerala, MP. iii. Maharashtra, Manipur + Tripura, Nagaland, Orissa, Punjab, Rajasthan, Sikkim. iv. Tamilnadu, AGMUT, Uttaranchal, UP, West Bengal

Each year allocation begins from next group. For CSE 2002 allocation began from Maharashtra, CSE 2003 began from Tamilnadu. This year it will begin from Andhra Pradesh. That means if the topper does not get his home cadre, he may get AP or Assam – Meghalaya.

The candidates have many a times disputed the allocation of cadre. Some have filed cases in the courts. Mr. Praveen Kumar of 54^th batch (CSE 2000) was allotted the Uttaranchal cadre. He contested that it was he who should have got the UP as insider, and not Mr. Ashutosh. The honourable Supreme Court, in Nov 2004, in “Union of India vs. Praveen Kumar” case has given a verdict in favour of Mr. Praveen Kumar, who is now ASP Allahabad. After this brief recapitulation, let us discuss something more, why cadre matters..

Theoratically speaking all the cadres are important and an All India service officer is liable to serve in anywhere, and he is also called on for the central Govt. Deputation. But factually an AIS officer spends a major part of his career in the cadre allotted to him.

1. The pay scales of the AIS officers are determined by the Centre. But some of the allowances, facilities, depend upon the cadre. 2. All know that the working culture depends upon local socio, economic and political conditions. 3. Some cadres are more deficit than others. It means a There might be more allocation to these cadres. b. Officers may get faster state promotions. For instance in Orissa, 54^th batch Officers (CSE 2000) have become the SPs of the Districts (of course the smaller districts) c. After marriage with another AIS officer the Govt. may allot both a deficit common cadre. (remember one can’t get home cadre even if he/ she marriage an AIS officer, say if wife belongs to Maharashtra cadre and Husband to Nagland cadre, and say the husband belongs to Maharashtra, the wife shall get Nagaland or both may get say Orissa) d. An officer may find difficult to go on Central deputation due to shortage of officers in his/ her cadre.

Some cadres like Nagaland, J & K, Orissa, Kerala are most deficit cadres in IPS. You might be wondering, as to why these are deficit? Reasons might be · Most officers from Northeast, J & K get married with other cadre officers. · Orissa has 32 Police districts; 15 years ago there were only 13 districts. · Orissa and Kerala do not recruit direct Dy. Superintendents of Police.

4. Some cadres have less promotee officers compared to direct recruits; hence there might be situation of lesser competition for posts of greater responsibility. Orissa, Kerala, Uttaranchal, Rajasthan have less promotee officers compared to direct recruit officers.

5. The cadres differ in population composition, and the other geographical factors. In Bihar an IPS officer serves 5,64,615 persons. Bihar is followed by Maharashtra, UP, Rajasthan, Gujarat & AP. On the other hand an IPS officer in Sikkim serves 20,802 persons. Similar is the situation of Nagaland, Manipur – Tripura, Himachal Pradesh, and J & K.

At the end of this mail I am enclosing an excel table, which gives interesting figures about what I said above.

Pl also open the next mail, where I have given a practical example of how allocation is done.

Satish Kumar, IPS

Interview A Great March Forward

I have picked this up from IAS_2003 yahoo group.. Where an IPS officer Satish had given us some of the tips for interview preperation .. In few days the results for the Civil Service Main Examination shall be out. As promised I am starting the series of articles on the preparation aspect. My endeavour is to tell you certain things from the perspective of a serving civil servant and a person who has faced the various interview boards, including the UPSC board two times. I shall be eager for your response. Similarly, please tell me about your own experience. Many of the successful candidates in mains join various interview coaching centres. Some coaching institutes are very good. Here candidates know many aspects of preparation including the grooming part. They also help to revise the current affairs. So I need not touch upon these things. I would like to tell you only one thing. In democracy, bureaucracy functions within the set norms of Constitutional Polity. The Constitution of India is the Bible of an administrator. While functioning within these limits, there are several constraints. Administration is not the simple but extremely complex thing. Many those, outside the administration are not able to appreciate these complexities & constraints. The UPSC interview board consists of such persons who have seen ups and downs in their administrative life. They want to recruit the candidate who can function within the limits set by the Constitution for promotion of Constitutional ideals. At the same time Board is interested to know whether the candidate is capable of grasping the complexity of the situation. Hence the interview. But I do not mean that the all those who possess these abilities shall be selected. What I mean that one has to display these abilities. That is more important. Some even fake these…. I shall quote a small example. One person was taking coaching at one of the prestigious coaching institutes in Delhi. He was knowing English and surfing the Internet for the study material. See how he delivers interview in Hindi. Chairman: - Mr. What kind of hobby you have “Padayatra”? Candidate: - I live in a remote village. Depend upon the agriculture for living. My fields are at a distance from my house. There are no transport means to reach there. I have to visit fields many times. Hence I have developed this hobby of Padyatra. Chairman: - Have you seen a city? Candidate: - Yes, I once came to Delhi for purchasing books and this time I am delivering the interview here. Chairman: - How you feel about Delhi? Candidate: - It very- very big place. Many times bigger than my village. Chairman: - Can you speak English? Candidate: - A little bit, I am learning English. Chairman: - and computers? Candidate: - I have seen computer but never got the opportunity to operate. Hope one day I shall learn that too! Believe friends, this professional God of falsehood, was not only selected but got the service he wanted, due to very high interview score. Why? The board chairman was known to give better marks to people from very rural background. Believe! this man had different strategies for different boards. I do not tell you to speak false before the board. His way is not at all appreciable. But his method is! He delivered what board wanted. You also do this. Start now… Step 1. Read this sentence by Karl Marx, “It not the conscience of the man which determines is social being, but it is the social being of Man, which determines his consciousness!” Read! Now Step 2. Go to UPSC site and check the names of UPSC members. Each member heads a board. Now open some good search engine like, yahoo, google and type his/ her name there. These way, collect information about his background, his views, his thinking etc. Take a notebook and divide it into various sections, precisely 9 sections and jot the information there. Meet some old golds, who know about the boards more, i.e. how they ask the question and what is the marking pattern. Step 3. Take out your mains form. Read every word you wrote there very carefully. This begins from your name, date of birth, school, preferences, hobby and anything you have written there. Now think about the possible question from the angle of each board member and think about the possible good answers! Write these questions and answers in different sections of your notebook. Step 4. Now go to some friend. Ask him to conduct your mock interview. You might be a student of economics but don’t get agitated when “no economics background” friend tries to grill you on economics. In interview board also you may face the same situation. And if you get selected; journalists, politicians, common people, NGOs shall bombard you with such questions. Step 5. After you visit so many friends, and write down the questions against each board member. (There are 4 members besides chairman, but chairman has the primacy). Write the answers you shall give. Now you have about 1000 Questions and Answers. Be comfortable. Step 6. Do like others. Read Magazines, newspapers, join coaching etc. I shall keep on giving you tips for the interview. In next few mails I shall deal upon the pressing security & disaster management related problems in India. In next mail I shall discuss the Naxalite Problem. With best wishes Satish Kumar, IPS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I picked up this mail from IAS_2003 Group.. :-) thanx Satish.

Friends @ IIT Delhi

When I opted out for IIT Delhi for my destination to do my M.Tech and Civils preperation. I thought 'OMG' two years of hard work .. Will I be able to perserve for that long ?? But as I come here, things are a lot different fortunately for me.. I have joined in ENSEMBLE for Geography preperation on Aug 2nd 2003,.. And joined MTech over here IIT Delhi on July 28th.. Infact , I guess my 2nd class at Delhi is at Ensemble. :-) .. This would not have been possible If I would not met "Venkat". He is my senior here @ IIT.. And he helped me in enquiring about the coaching centers and hell lot of stuff like buying all the necessary things here.. He is a sweet man.. And looked after and guided me in lots of situation over here.. I feel rather lucky to be part of his pals group. "Sudha" -- My girl friend at IIT Delhi. Oopss.. He is my room mate here. Both of us working for the same goal . So we thought it would be better for us to work together and We are sure we have created a lot more through synergey. Most of the part in my success @ Prelims should be given to this guy. I usually draw lot of inspiration from this guy. He is a charming personality. He talks sweet , slow and composed. Never throw emotions.. And If he were a girl, I would have done anything to get her. ;). Every guy / girl from rural should read his biography to know what it takes to be successful .. He is a fighter man.. I am sure I will see him in one of the best positions in Govt. India in the years to come. All the best dude. "Bharadwaj" -- He is my classmate @ MTech Computersciece Dept. One of the coolest guys I have met.. He helped me a lot in completing my assignments, project work at time. I owe you a lot my boy.. You are one of my close pals. he knows lot of things about me. A sensible guy, He placed at "SoftJin" at Bengalore. I guess he will be joining over there as he love Benga and his classmates over there.. Dont ask me whether they are males or females ?? ;) "Jyothi" - one of my sweet friends over here. Man , he is such a charming personality. you can talk with him for hours without looking at your watch.. He is doing his M.Tech from Power Systems.. He is too sweet guy.. but his tagline is "nakesta" quite famous around the MTech Telugu guys over here.. Hey pals.. there are lot others I should mention over here.. But I have to go now as we have STIC Dinner @ my hostel today.. So I got to go.. otherwise I will miss my share of Ice Creams. bye bye, cheers, sitharamaraju

Kallu Gang.

Hey !! Today I have recapitulated some of the events in those B.Tech 4 years at IIIT Hyderabad. The days when we played volleyball without going to Govindarajulu sir class, the way he chased and ragged us in the classes [ Hyderabad Sultans, Vijayanagaram Maharajulu ].. The way we used to fight each other for House Games and Batch Cricket matches.. The way we shout each other in the labs when we play "Capture the Flag [CTF - Quake]".. Those "Dumb sharades" with our Kallu gang.. These are some of things which I never gonna forget in my life... Hey here are some of my close friends blogs, so have a look at it.. people say that you can get a person by looking at their friends. so you can try your hand at me .. :D Hari ( http://hari.medhas.org ) Shy, religious but serious fighter. But you can only find him at playgrounds at IIIT.. champion of all games.. rather shy and trustworthy.. May be one of the people who can move across all the groups of my batch without any hesitations. And now working for "Xius Tech". Guys he is their "Best Employee" award holder.... Prasad (http://tux.medhas.org/) Indefatigable, Veratile and Self-booking S.V.Prasad. Please don't ask him how he got his nick "Don" at psychore. He is working for ATC at TCS. Should say "God of Linux" .. And is there any one at ATC , who dont know Prasad ?? No chance. One of those guys whom I envy a lot.. :-) .. Kalyan ( The Visionary ) Popular as "Pilla bomb".. He always amaze me with his organizational skills be it felicity or Vinayakachaviti vratham or anything.. Any place single hand "kalyan- The bomb". I would be surprised if he not move up his corporate ladder in the midterm for the kind of negotiation and presentation skills that he has... Now He might be actually surprising Keane's project managers by his analysis.... Right now, he is too busy to write a blog.. so please bear with him. Hmm with this, I will close this thread though this is not complete. But will write about others in the group and my class as soon as possible. Before ending, Will give a link of my friends photos and prasad's brain child -- new "tux"... http://medhas.org/gallery/index.php?list=events/StuffedTux&page=1. cheers, sitharamaraju.